Welcome I'm only in Suffolk not too far and I saw a ks16x on sale here £900 little miles and looked tidy I was going to go for it but seeing what else comes up as I have a Msp Ht that I'm about to put a knobby on so I can have more fun on the trails and want a wheel I can have for street but is capable of some rough

If you are in love with the ks 16x take it. Nice wheel and not much to complain about. If you are a beginner it's a good choice too. Not too heavy and enough power to pull you through unexpected imperfections of the road or offroad track. Alone on flint and gravel there are better, more comfy wheels out there. Main drawback in my opinion is the wheel diameter of 16" (I'd prefer 18" + on harsh terrain). Nevertheless the tyre is wide enough to handle most of it. And if you are on a budget it was hard to find something comparable.

If you are looking for range and constant power delivery over most of the batterylife you could also throw your eyes on Begode/Gotway Tesla, V2 for water resistance and less weight, T3 for larger battery ... and overall for less money :-) - no matter 2nd hand or new

Hey Andy,
Many thanks for responding, great to know you’re in Suffolk- whereabouts may I ask?

It’s interesting Trapper suggested the GotwayTesla2 as I watched Speedyfeet’s video on that before and liked the sound of it’s performance. Seemed a good mix of trail and tarmac but they’re currently out of stock.
Haven’t checked out secondhand yet.

I did find that £900 KS16 you mentioned- the only thing is there was plenty of interest but the seller doesn’t seem to respond and it’s been advertised for ages. I just assumed perhaps she’d decided not to sell.
It also looks pretty knocked about. I’d def replace the pads which is no big deal I know.
Also I’m pretty new to all of this and haven’t got much of an idea about second hand values, tbh the fact it’s still being advertised did make me a bit suspicious.
What did you start out on and did you jump in and buy brand new to begin with?
In many ways buying brand new and getting the warranty and buy back guarantee Speedyfeet offers is quite reassuring as someone new to these machines.

Hi Old Trapper,
I really want to say thanks for your welcome and helpful suggestions.It was reassuring and encouraging to read that you rate the KS16X as good place to start for mixed surfaces and newbies. Cheers.
The Gotway Tesla did catch my attention in one of Speedyfeet’s videos before I’d seen the KS16X. Seemed to be a good dual purpose machine.
I think I keep going back to the KS16X as I’m not very heavy just over 50kg and worry about controlling a bigger heavier wheel, also it is in stock at Speedyfeet and the Gotway isn’t at the mo…tho I’m sure they’ll be along soon!
The other major temptation for similar money to the KS16X is the KS18 with suspension and extremely hot looks. That said, is the suspension and the setting of, going to be more of a hindrance than helping of heaven….?

Kirsty Gwilliam :-) ... suspension is nice to have on average terrain. I tried Inmotion V11, Gotway EX and KS 18S and with my track profile I cannot see a major advantage. But this may be special with my terrain. About 15% of my daily tracks lead along river Main with hundreds of roots breaking through the tarmac. Here I feel much more confident on my RS or Nik simply jumping these obstacles, whereas suspension wheels start rocking themselves up thus making for a tough challenge to keep your feet on the footplates and stay in control of the wheel. Among the suspension wheels S18 and EX are the less dangerous.

On cobblestones and likewise, any suspension is nice and smooth.

In my personal opinion a wheel without suspension makes the first two weeks easier since you have to learn to control the wheel with micro movements. Beginners shift their weight too coarse in the very beginning. But learning the wheel is no rocketscience and you will def learn it with or without suspension. No worries.

The Telsa is the most overlooked wheel I suppose. It is nimble, twitchy, lightweight and powerful while delivering a good water resistance ... not the fastest wheel but giving a good amount of power throughout the charge. Kingsong, KS 16 as well as S18, will reduce power at a quite early stage of about 50 % remaining battery life which in my case is a severe showstopper, while others do not blame this behavior. You will have to decide for yourself. Anyway, suspension draws more battery and the batteries of Kingsong and Inmotion are quite small ... again for my usecase :-)

Once you survive the first learning steps, riding the wheel is like flying on a magical carpet and makes you happy ... I promise :-)

One last thought: I also own a mten 3 and can do all of my tracks also with this tiny wheel. Main difference in comparison to the RS - apart from speed, range and acceleration - is that I need to pause after some 20 km, whereas the RS is just easy gliding.

As a newbie I tried some wheels but did not come to a fair decision by that. I was not able to tell the difference because my skills were too poor. Bought the Tesla, still love it but currently sell it, because my dog became too fast to do the daily dogwalking with the Tesla any more. If you want to learn from this: make up your mind, buy a wheel, learn riding and if you feel some features or power missing, sell the wheel and make a different decision based on experience and knowledge. Do not start with a small and weak wheel.

Kirsty Gwilliam Hi again well I'm in Ipswich and have owned an MSP HT for about a yr and 3 months took about a week of riding for about an hr after work every night. At first I thought why have a bought this as it felt impossible but one night it just clicked like everybody had mentioned on any post about this before, now I like going off road and am going to get a knobby tire fitted Wednesday can't wait 😀 I bought the wheel 2nd hand with 200 miles on it from a guy that just went out with his daughter on her scooter I also was going to buy a ks 16x but also had the ks 18s and the Msp ht, I had my eye on all. It was just a case of what came up at the right time at the right price,also my thinking was I'll buy a wheel that I'm happy with and won't need to upgrade ever and the way I look at it is the wheel it going to get bashed no matter how experienced you are. I've been quite good as to not had many falls and the ones I have it has just bounced so just scrapes and no breakages. As the Msp will have a knobby on it now I'm looking for a smaller capable wheel which I will do on road stuff mostly but can cope with a little rough and so got my eye on a gotway mcm5 by all account a brilliant little rugged 14"wheel

Andy Wickenden mcm5 ... a pal form a german forums fitted a knobby tyre on th mcm 5. had to cut the thread a bit to avoid rubbing and seem to be very happy with. Atlhough I'd tend to say it is a good learner wheel b/c of it's limited range. Nice and portable anyway

Old Trapper I wouldn't be putting a knobby tyre on the mcm5 as I would ride it on road mostly but it good to know if I ever wanted to try a knobby on it

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ehHYpJE79mD1V7Dh8

He said there are other knobbys available which do not have to be cut :-)

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Old Trapper Hey! I was just rereading one of your responses to me when was still deciding on what wheel to buy, all of it super helpful, but this part is especially wonderful-
You said that no matter which I bought, riding an EUC would be like riding on a magic carpet-
Goodness, how right you are!!! Yesterday’s ride was like an amazing dream! Thanks so much for the passion 🥰🙃 it’s spot on!

Which wheel did you decide on?

Andy Wickenden Hello again!
Funnily enough, I’ve been thinking about you too- wondering what you’ve been up ride wise and how the knobbly has worked out?
In the end, (March 1st) I went for the KS S18 and so far sooo very good! Every ride is an improvement on the last, I’m beginning to ride the kind of terrain I had in mind and the wheel is coping fine even when the rider isn’t quite up to scratch!
Hope you’ve been able to get out on your wheel and enjoy this lovely weather.

Hi again, I've not been out as much as I want to cos I've been extra busy at work so starting early and finishing late! I try and go out at the w/e did a 23 mile buzz this w/e and loved it (i found a really good bmx track) I keep saying to myself I need to go on it more to condition the legs and feet so they don't get so sore when doing longish rides. thinking of getting another wheel I have always liked the Begode Hero but when it came out everyone was slating it for the lack of upgrade for the price of it but watching reviews of it now everyone loves it and I like the look of the v11 but they have had problems aswell still got my eyes on a mcm5 though aswell, I'm glad you made the move and got a wheel and what a great choice in the s18 was it new or 2nd hand.

Hey Andy, really glad you got out- 23 miles! Was that all off-road and BMX track? That’s a long trip in my book. Got to say it now feels a lot easier to get out now we have the lighter nights. I’m always a bit whacked when I get in from work but popping out for a quick spin after supper is now possible. Interesting that you mention wanting to get your legs and feet conditioned. Do you do mostly off-road? Is it just practice and repetition using the same muscles that will help? Anyway, sounds like you know that the pain can be overcome. I’m only just venturing onto the tracks here, sometimes I can do it and other times can’t. Wearing shin guards and knee pads certainly help me enormously- it’s not because I fall off, but it stops all the bruising on the inside of my legs and knee when I grip the body, especially off-road. The other crazy thing is and I don’t know if I’m imagining this but i think these wheels are super sensitive to mood, obviously posture and even mindset to some degree. As i joked somewhere before there is a zen quality or Yoda thing when it seems a lot better when its a ‘no mind’ or relaxed state of being….things seem flow better. What do you reckon? Sooo, you’re thinking of getting another wheel- tough choices ahead. It would be so nice if there was a way to test drive them before you buy especially when you’re experienced like you and obviously have a pretty good idea of what you want to experience in a new machine. SpeedyFeet ought to encourage a Trail and Trial weekend or something. As for mine I did end up buying brand new from Speedyfeet simply because KS18s weren’t coming up on the secondhand market and I thought I may as well get an EUC that will do what I want when I’m skilled enough, plus the 3 year warranty and shear helpfulness of Ian and his team impressed me. The only drawback Ive experienced is that for me is it’s very heavy. So when I have put it I the car it’s awkward and if it whacks me, i know about it!….also the trolley handle could be more solid in its construction- it doesn’t always collapse or extend nicely and is kind of wobbly like a cheap suitcase! That aside though we’re getting on just fine.

Kirsty Gwilliam Pro tipp on putting your wheel into and out of your car :-) ... and some night life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZxk7de0AXg